Session Start: Sat Feb 09 15:49:33 2002
(NancyL) About on the hour here, so going to start.
(NancyL) Reminder for newcomers, please hold your questions until I post End ZT Followup? or some such
(NancyL) Else I must go back and look for questions and likely will miss yours.
(NancyL) ICE AGES
(NancyL) 1. Why do record in the ice samples of previous PS? I mean, they should be either 3500 years old or 7000 years old or so, but not dated 400,000 years if the poles changed direction?
(NancyL) 2. What are the Ice Ages? Did the end of the last Ice Age coincide with the Flood?
(NancyL) I want to also post an analysis I did ahead of time:
(NancyL) (5 back) 17,000 BC: North Pole moves from central North America to Scandinavia, South Pole formerly south of India over ocean begins to thaw
(NancyL) (4 back) 12,400 BC: North Pole moves from Scandinavia to Barents Sea, Europe starts to warm up, former south pole ice over ocean thawing further
(NancyL) (3 back) 8,800 BC: North Pole moves from Barent's Sea to East Siberian Sea, pulling Siberia northward and killing most mammoths, Europe and Canada warm up, glaciers melting former ice below Indian drops into ocean, creating Flood (see The Flood ZetaTalk P42.htm)
(NancyL) (2 back) 5,200 BC: North Pole moves from East Siberian Sea to Greenland
(NancyL) (1 back) 1,600 BC: North Pole moves from Greenland to Artic Ocean, last of mammoths near Siberia become extinct (Prior Shift ZetaTalk P99.htm)
(NancyL) ZT: Confusion exists over why the Ice in Antarctica dates back, apparently, for many pole shift periods.
(NancyL) ZT: If one analyses the last few shifts, it becomes apparent that the South Pole was either over, part way, Antartica, or nearby in the ocean.
(NancyL) ZT: When a pole is over water, near land, the land mass RETAINS its ice, under the influence of this large block of ice afloat.
(NancyL) ZT: This is due to cold water washing against the land mass, as well as air currents.
(NancyL) ZT: As we have stated in ZetaTalk, the prior shift moved the North Pole from Greenland to its present location.
(NancyL) ZT: Prior to that, it was over the East Siberian Sea, having pulled Siberia northward where the largest number of mammoth dieoff occurred.
(NancyL) ZT: Tracing the North Pole over the past few shifts, one sees that it spent a time over Scandinavia where it resided between the 4th and 5th shift back.
(NancyL) ZT: When it moved from Scandinavia into the Artic north of Siberia, Europe warmed up, its glaciers melting.
(NancyL) ZT: Prior to Scandinavia, the North Pole centered over North America.
(NancyL) ZT: The Flood occurred because during the time the North Pole was over North America, the South Pole was over the ocean south of India.
(NancyL) ZT: When the North Pole moved to Scandinavia, the South Pole repositioned on the other side of Antarctica.
(NancyL) ZT: However, being over water, the former South Pole melted from the bottom, floating on the water in a honeycombed shape.
(NancyL) ZT: It retained a lot of cold, as the ocean water coming from Antarctica DISTRIBUTED this cold, so the ice melt was not complete.
(NancyL) ZT: A subsequent shift lurched this honeycombed ice and fractured it, so it dropped into the ocean creating a displacement wave - the Flood.
(NancyL) ZT: This water roared up toward Arabia and elsewhere north of this splash.
(NancyL) ZT: Narrowing into the waterways between Africa and Asia/Europe, water does what it does when under pressure, it went into tidal bore.
(NancyL) ZT: This caused MORE sea level rise in the area Noah lives in, described in the Bible as the Flood.
(NancyL) ZT: This water did NOT cover the rest of the world to this height, thus, as most coastlines allowed the splash to distribute, not bore.
(NancyL) End ZT Followup?
(Trizz8) Where will the next pole shift send the poles? and does the rotation of the earth change according to the pole shift?
(Steve) How is it possible that the mammoth are shock frozen. Is it possible that the in/outflow of magnetic particles at the poles pushes the heat particles away?
(NancyL) Trizz8, this is in ZT now, New Geo and other writeups in the Pole Shift section.
(Trizz8) k thx
(Pythag) What about native american prophecies of a great flood?
(NancyL) Steve, They were drawn into what became the polar circle, where NOTHING melts.
(NancyL) Steve, the Zetas have said they either drown, were suffocated due to oxygen loss (fire storms overhead) or froze.
(NancyL) Most drown, then froze solid after water receded.
(Steve) But why so quick? There must be another mechanism at work
(NancyL) They drown.
(NancyL) Siberia is low land, and will have a lot of flooding this time around too.
(Spanky) Was there ever humans living on antarctica?
(NancyL) ZT to Spanky: No
(NancyL) Going onto Next Q ..
(NancyL) 1. Why those missing links between species of the Earth can't be found as Darvin hoped?
(NancyL) 2. Did the life on Earth evolve naturally (without intervention) from the time the first DNA-s were seeded to the apparance of the ape?
(NancyL) 3. Was there a race of intelligent reptilians which got affected by the virus too, etc. Mankind the 2nd pass here.
(NancyL) ZT: What mankind calls the Missing Link will not be located as genetic engineering often took place in tiny labs, islands where those being engineered would not escape and breed with species or individuals not selected for breeding.
(NancyL) ZT: If one wants to develop a line of thoroughbred horses, one does not have the mares running lose.
(NancyL) ZT: One keeps them in fields, introduces the stallion of choice, and subsequently selects offspring of choice for the next round.
(NancyL) ZT: Bluntly speaking, when one is trying to increase the IQ of an ape, and does not wish to spend eternity on a world doing so, one takes such steps.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, leaps, or missing links, are often on islands that may have been washed over by great waves during subsequent cataclysms, or even gone under the waves and be ocean bottom now.
(NancyL) ZT: Just where those islands might be, is irrelevant to man now, as he has more challenges than he will be able to handle at this time with the forthcoming pole shift.
(NancyL) ZT: There is some curiosity about seeding worlds and genetic engineering, as the chicken and egg argument, what came first?
(NancyL) ZT: Obviously, the first conscious species that could spark souls evolved naturally, and this happens today in the Universe.
(NancyL) ZT: Seeding worlds accelerates this, and engineering a species accelerates this.
(NancyL) ZT: This is done, as we have mentioned, with the same motive that parents have toward their offspring, the desire to mentor and assist.
(NancyL) ZT: On Earth, the species that evolved FIRST to be close to this level were reptilian.
(NancyL) ZT: They were engineered, gained intelligence to the level of mankind today, but did not have the dexterity that hominoids do.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, their intelligence turned to social matters, not construction.
(Gerard) Wait a moment
(Gerard) The first time this occurs during the IRC session :/
(NancyL) I'll write but hold it until you say OK.
(Jurian) Something's being a bastard.. Trying to get it fixed.. :/
(Elizagirl67) What happened
(S7L) A netsplit. It's over. Let the session resume.
(Jurian) Looks like the hub crashed
(Trizz8) Uhhh huh...
(Jurian) Most are
(Steve) I thought somethings wrong with Nancy. Shock
(Jurian) Getting the rest
(NancyL) ZT: They were susceptible to the same factors that created a great dieoff among the dinosaurs, and floundered in poor health.
(NancyL) ZT: It became apparent that the continuance of this species was not sustainable, as the susceptibility was INHERENT in their DNA and would be hard to counter.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, their engineers turned to considering other species, which eventually became man.
(NancyL) ZT: Mammals had resistance that the reptiles did not.
(NancyL) ZT: Therefore, mankind is not the FIRST intelligent species to evolve or be assisted in evolution on Earth.
(NancyL) ZT: As we have stated, worlds are often used repeatedly for 3rd Density existence.
(NancyL) End ZT Followup?
(SteveH) What did the intelligent reptiles look like and what was their society like?
(HBO2) So, there is reptilian DNA hidden in man?
(Jos) Were souls living in these reptile bodies moved over to human forms, was this the rule
(NancyL) SteveH ZT: It is often speculated that these intelligent reptiles were small dinoarus.
(SteveH) Did they have art or music?
(JJ) Weren't humans created to be slaves at first?
(NancyL) ZT: In fact, they were amphibious, as the Earth had earlier been a water planet, before its crash where its wound in the Pacific occured.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, they did not have the arms and fingers and toes that many lizards have.
(NancyL) ZT: They had fins, long bodies, and very little else.
(Steve) Did they had any technology?
(NancyL) ZT: Their intelligence had developed due to their long life, and the societies they had developed were deemed appropriate for 3rd Density life.
(NancyL) ZT: The remnants today, live in places on Earth, within cavities that have water ways, and we decline to describe this further.
(NancyL) End ZT to SteveH
(NancyL) Jos ZT: Indeed, just as humans today have souls that were at one time incarnated in the giant hominoids formerly visiting Earth, and just as Star Children are incarnated on Earth,
(NancyL) ZT: So souls that had to move on to new bodies during this time, the reptilian dieoff, moved into Early Man.
(Trizz8) Is star children explained in ZT.com? If not, please do.
(NancyL) End ZT to Jos.
(Jos) Cool :)
(NancyL) JJ, this is disinfo that the Nibiruian created man.
(S7L) Trizz: is explained to some degree. Go read it, use the search.
(JJ) Ok thank you
(NancyL) ZT to Steve: The reptilians did not have the means to create technology, as they could not manipulate their environment.
(Steve) Thank you
(Longint) So does the soul bounds to the place rather than to the species?
(Spanky) Did these creatures have a time in 4th density? And then moved back as they all became discarnate?
(NancyL) ZT: Their selection as 3rd Density species was based on their native intelligence, and the socialization they had already developed.
(NancyL) ZT: Just as the ape was deemed a good predecessor for these same reasons.
(Rev14) Are the lacerta files genuine? The interview with a reptilian?
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, developing more IQ and consciousness, these reptilians turned to social manipulation.
(NancyL) ZT: There are many 3rd Density worlds where this is the DOMINANT sprititual development arena.
(NancyL) ZT: Who can influence who, who is friends with whom, who can punish whom, etc.
(NancyL) ZT: This is not all that different from man's experiences, except that mankind distracts himself with technology.
(NancyL) ZT: He plays with THINGS, if frustrated with social interaction.
(NancyL) ZT: Where THINGS cannot be a distraction, these reptiles simply went off for a swim, just as man goes off for a walk.
(NancyL) End ZT to Steve.
(Supervizor) (But could the dinosaurs communicate with eachother? And if yes, how?)
(Steve) Very good information. something to think of.
(NancyL) ZT to Longint: There is a strong desire of young souls to remain in place, familiar places, but primariy because they have unfinished agendas.
(NancyL) ZT: Just as young souls may linger between incarnations and haunt, as ghosts, in a similar manner, they will want to reincarnation in the area.
(NancyL) ZT: This tendency lasts often through much of 4th Density, a long plateau, so does not die quickly.
(NancyL) End ZT to Long.
(Spanky) Does lack of technology push the younger entities towards the STS orientation?
(NancyL) ZT to Super: Most species with social interaction have many means of communication.
(Trizz8) mm blastrid
(NancyL) ZT: Man is used to thinking of talking and writing, as well as body language.
(NancyL) ZT: Even birds and insects communicate with each other.
(NancyL) ZT: It is not so much the complexity of the message as the MEANING behind it, not often misunderstood.
(NancyL) ZT: A dog can exhibit affection by licking or disgorging food to its young, and exhibit hostility and rejection by a snarl.
(NancyL) ZT: Whether this is cloathed in lots of words of not, the MESSAGE is clear.
(NancyL) ZT: Choices for STO or STS thus are many, regardless of the ability to record complex communications.
(NancyL) End ZT to Super.
(Supervizor) Ahh! (thanx for the answer! :) )
(NancyL) Last Q if about Polarization STO and STS ...
(NancyL) INCREASING POLARIZATION
(NancyL) 1. How does the polarization by orientations occur in the daily life? Will the STO simply ignore and reject to interact with those who are less matured or more STS-inclined? Doesn't this interfere with their spiritual tendency, the STO?
(NancyL) ZT: In that the 3rd Density world that man currently lives in is such that they CANNOT easily group by orientation, into STO or STS groups, this is a point of confusion during this Transformation time.
(NancyL) ZT: A group of STO individuals, seeking to separate, will soon find themselves being visited by those wanting to take advantage of them.
(NancyL) ZT: A group of STS individuals are the first to arrive in such a setting, as this is ideal to their way of thinking.
(NancyL) ZT: Most STO individuals have family and friends they are intertwined with, who have mixed oreintations, are undecided.
(NancyL) ZT: Then enter the rule of law, societal laws, which REQUIRE these relationships to continue.
(NancyL) ZT: Governments do not want groups to isolate themselves, and consider this a great threat.
(NancyL) ZT: Look to the rage with which the FBI invaded isolated groups a decade or so ago, to see how this is veiwed.
(NancyL) ZT: They consider ALL cizitens to be their property, and insist on the entanglements that are wrapped around the individual from childhood on, remaining.
(NancyL) ZT: One must have schooling, be papered, get a job, be taxed, produce offspring that are likewise controlled.
(NancyL) ZT: The rage over abortion is an example of how far this sense of control and the importance to those power mad can go.
(NancyL) ZT: There must be NO escape.
(NancyL) ZT: So how does this change, after the shift, during the Transformation?
(NancyL) ZT: First, isolation and separation from government control is automatic.
(NancyL) ZT: Governments will lost control utterly, and isolation be the norm, not something sought.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, it comes down to how a small group, or a community, might separate and polarize.
(NancyL) ZT: Think of your family, how family members or workforce members find compatible associates and tend to migrate toward them in their free time.
(NancyL) ZT: If the controls over family support or showing up for work were GONE, this would occur increasingly, and become full time.
(NancyL) ZT: You have the STS minded, who go off to loot and look for the weak.
(NancyL) ZT: They thus are removed from strongly STO groups, as these groups tend to cooperate well with each other, and defend themselves.
(NancyL) ZT: Now you have the undecided, remaining with the STO or straggling along on the periphery of the STS.
(NancyL) ZT: In a STO environment, there is much serious discussion, and expectation that all will work hard for the general wellfare.
(NancyL) ZT: Undecided find this grim, no fun, and at the first opportunity peel away and set off on their own.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, if doing well, they establish their own communities, and if not doing well, die off.
(NancyL) ZT: To a great extent, the every-day life that man has today, in civilized countries, will NOT exist.
(NancyL) ZT: Disease, infections, and accidents will strike quickly and decimate survivors.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, STO communities will increasingly find themselves the surviors among survivors.
(NancyL) ZT: When this occurs, they will find themselves in contact with high tech communiteis of humans and hybrids, living together.
(NancyL) ZT: At this point, if not earlier by being assisted unannounced, they will find their lives improved.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, to immagine this polarization, remove the rule of law, the demands of society, and carry forward the natural trends you see among people today.
(NancyL) End ZT Followup?
(HBO2) Zetas have predicted a 90% die off from this PS. Will most of this be from catastrophy or from starvation and marauders?
(SteveH) Can STO individuals positively infuence those leaning toward STS?
(Steve) Will it be helpful to just say no to these STS people, and isn't it very hard for an STO entity to say someone he has to go because he has not the right orientation.
(NancyL) ZT to HBO2: The majority of the dieoff will be along the coastlines, from flooding, and from hurricane winds, or from violent volcanie explosions.
(NancyL) ZT: Surviving this, man will find himself, if civilized, faced with starvation.
(NancyL) ZT: Soft living in the cities dooms man, as even should he struggle to rural areas, he has no notion of what to do.
(NancyL) ZT: In many rural areas, even where primitive living had been the norm and the population tough, if volcanic ash is severe, lead poisoning and starvation will follow.
(NancyL) ZT: In those areas where such tribulations had not affected the population, there will be dieoff from lack of medicine if a civilzed country, and from fighting and marauding.
(NancyL) ZT: Count the number of people today, in North America or Europe, who are sustained only because of medication.
(Elizagirl67) Do these high tech communities with humans and hybrids exixt now.
(NancyL) ZT: Survivors gone mad with the changes and heartache will be violent and desertion of children common.
(Elizagirl67) Do these high tech communities with humans and hybrids exixt now.
(Gerard) Elize: no, will be after the pole shift.
(NancyL) ZT: In industrialized areas, poisons will be in the area, and all who migrate there to seek assistance will find themselves regretting this.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, there are many steps and stages to a 90% or so reduction, no one cause of death.
(NancyL) End ZT:
(NancyL) Eliz, yes, but in 4th Density on Mars, and on Earth in places not to be mentioned.
(NancyL) Folks, its past the hour. Going to sign off.
(Lebrasse) Bye Bye Nancy, and thank you.
(NancyL) Sorry about the netsplit, but the log will go up by end of day tomorrow.
(Jos) Do we see the signs of polarizations in things like Enron and other scandals now, or is that just coincidence
(Elizagirl67) Thanks Nancy zeta
(JJ) Thanks again Nancy
(SteveH) Bye Nancy and Z's!
(Jos) Oh, ok...:)
(Steve) Bye nancy
(S7L) Thanks Nancy. It was enlightening.
(Gerard) Thank you Nancy and the Zetas..
(Steve) Bye Z's
(NancyL) Jos, big time. No question the Republicans are leaning toward STS! My opinion.
(Jos) Everybody's opinion!
(NancyL) Bye bye guys, thanks for inspiring great ZetaTalk :-)
(JJ) Hey Zsss give me a call....
Session Close: Sat Feb 09 17:07:57 2002